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[liquidfx]

I bet some of you have already heard. There will be no Apple G6.

Apple is abandoning IBM PowerPC processors in favor of Intel Processors starting in 2006. There is already a hacked version of OSX Tiger 10.4 floating around on Bittorrent that runs on your run-of-the-mill Dell. Imagine x86 machines running OSX. ::shivers::

Personally, im horrified. The reason I work with Apple is simply because their stuff works. They design the hardware/software together to work in a near perfect unison. The G4 & G5 processors are proven to be superior, though they have slower clock speeds. I have an uneasy feeling of buying a glorified dell just because the apple glows, if you know what I mean. And I definently do not want to see OSX on an HP machine!

I hope Steve Jobs knows what he is doing (apparently he does, if you look at the Ipod Nano). The last thing I wanna see is the stupid "Intel Inside" logo on my sleek, high performance Mac.

Not to knock on Windows, im a Bi (platformer ) myself & work on x86 machines more than Apples. I just don't trust Windows machines. I recently spent a boatload on a Dell laptop with 1.2 gB ram that is as slow as shit, when my Powerbook G4 is 4 years old and runs faster with only 256 mB ram. Dude, I don't need a Dell, I need an Apple.

What are your thoughts? Could this spell the end of our favorite underdog? Are they going to become corporate sellouts like Microsoft? Will the superior Mac platform become an inferior, glorified Dell?

I've got mixed feelings. I Dunno...

Just Google Apple & Intel for more info. **sigh**

[scram]

why, oh dear god why.

it's like ferrari going "ok, we're gonna run all our cars on Lada engines from now on. sound good?"

no. no it really doesn't.

[liquidfx]

As long as the OSX doesn't bottleneck like windows does, then i'll be fine. Supposedly the chip might be specifically designed for Apple, a brand new chip ONLY available for Apple machines. So that at least eases my pain a bit.

PS there are already bootleg version of OSX Tiger 10.4 available for x86 windows machines on Limewire & Bittorrent. Theres already websites dedicated to show you how to do it. Only con is it runs UBER-SLOW since windows machines arent designed to handle OSX as well as Apple computers.

[mokum]

hmmm... I don't think Steve Jobs said to his staff: "Hey guys, we've made such stable and powerfull Macs with IBM processors, it's getting kinda boring. Why don't we go down a darker, more insecure path and go for Intel??" ... and everybody goes :" Hooray!!!" ... no, I think he knows what he's doing... And fair is fair, Intel processors are stable, the OS (Micro$oft's Windows) just isn't (not as stable as OSX anyway) BUT, if you look at Linux for instance... That runs smooth and stable on X86 Intel machines...

PS: And whats wrong with DELL??? I have 1 and it runs beautifully ;P

[dj_sea2005]

macs running OSX has got to be the most beautiful computer sight available. (next to the alienware computers that is) the machines look great. and the OS is insanely cool.

we used a couple today in the computer learning zone at college. and i have to say, even a schools budget can get a decent looking/running machine. and great for music production.

[liquidfx]

After doing some hard thinking, im kind of excited by Intel providing chips for Apple. As long as it only runs on apple hardware, that is. Intel has an unlimed amount to research and design new chips, meaning we probably will be seeing more efficient, powerful, quicker macs than ever before. I read an article where Intel stated that its relationship with microsoft is very stagnant, and innovation is near dead. They see joining forces with apple as a huge breath of fresh air, since both companies are fresh thinkers.

This also means Apple (which has qaudrupled in profits in the last 2-3 years) will be even more profitable, which in turn will mean more innovative/improved products. Apple will finally have a larger market share, and probably streamlined compatability with windows. They are cousins after all .

Unix runs pretty smootly on x86, so OSX should do well under the right conditions. I just hope this doesn't become a nightmare where every kid with a dell laptop and an internet connection ends up with the latest OSX on their HDD. That I see as a possible downfall, and a dangerous path for Apple.

[mokum]

I hope the MACS will drop in price a bit... That'll make it more interresting for me (and others).. The steap price is the only thing that keeps me from buying one...

[liquidfx]

I hope the MACS will drop in price a bit... That'll make it more interresting for me (and others).. The steap price is the only thing that keeps me from buying one...

Well, tell you the truth...you have to completely deck out a dell or alienware PC to compare it to a Mac. And if do so, and then compare by price, the Mac comes out as the cheaper/better buy.

Macs are only "expensive" because they come loaded with eveything, but are still relatively cheap.

I see $3000 Dell Laptops that are probably half as good as a $2100 Powerbook. I know, I just recently bought a 1.4Ghz Dell Laptrop for a $1000 and had to put more money into just to make it run smoothly. Meanwhile my Powerbook G4 is 4 years old, and outperforms the new Dell. The Dell makes me wish I spent money on an 1.67
Ghz iBook instead. ::shrugs::

so the idea that Macs are too expensive are wrong. You cant compare a cheap $500 Dell computer to a Mac. And then it would cost you 50% more to make the Dell outperform or equal the mac. So macs are actually cheap!

[liquidfx]

Look what i just found

Cnet reports on Intel's road maps which were discussed at the Intel Developer's Forum today.
...the dominant theme revolves around reducing power consumption, a concept the company has hammered on since the beginning of the decade.

The newer architecture pushing the higher performance per watt appears to be targeted in late 2006. In the meanwhile, Intel has other chips coming to fill the gap in late 2005/early 2006.

Notebooks:
Yonah - notebook chip. 1st half of 2006.
Merom - notebook chip coming in the second half of 2006. 5 watts (vs 22 in today's chips)

Desktops:
Presler - Desktop chip based on Pentium 4 line. 1st half of 2006.
Conroe - Desktop counterpart to Merom. Late 2006. up to 65 watts. (vs 95)

Servers:
Paxville - late 2005. Dual core.
Woodcrest - Server processor, up to 80 watts. (vs 110)

The newly announced chips (Meron, Conroe and Woodcrest) aimed at late 2006 will utilize the new architecture (65-nm) to replace the aging Pentium 4 architecture. Apple anticipates their first Intel-based Macs to start shipping in 2006 and the transition to be complete by the end of 2007.

[didymus]

Hi Guys,

As I see it we should blame IBM and Motorola for dicking Apple over thier processors and speeds.

I just hope it all comes together OK and we have as a solid hardware / software intergaration as at present. I love the Mac OS and find Windows a real pain. But that’s as much due to familarity as anything.

M.

[disconnect]

I personally don't care, since I never used a mac. however, I don't like windows either. It's stupid, with overdone (yet hackable) security that consumes so much of my processing speed, ridiculous license agreement, annoying selfupdates, even more annoying hardware detection manager (If I say I don't want to install it NOW, it means NO! No need to prompt me 6 times in a time of 20 seconds) and general instability. I would switch to bsd, if it had crossplatform compatibility with all of my programs (i wish...).

I had a perfectly legal version of windows xp pro. I had it until I had to format and reinstall. Well, it didn't accept the serial number that was given to me. So I find the secondary serial key (I got it from a university with 2 serials). It works. Then, my shit crashes (their fault), and I have to reinstall. Well, you already know what I'm gonna say - none of the serials worked. I know that files don't get deleted during formatting process, and are recoverable. That's the only way I know that they could have done this. So, I was stuck with a fully legal version of windows that didn't accept my numbers, and was counting down from the 30 day mark. At around 12 days, I realized something had to be done. I can't reinstall everything every time (since the registry is wiped during system reinstall). So I tried to crack it by unassembling it with softice, but just fucked up my winlogon. So now, I was stuck with a system that not only didn't recognize my valid serial numbers, but wouldn't boot.

In the end, I took it to my friend who gave his russian version with cracked winlogon. I figure, if microsoft fucks us up the ass by releasing a what in essense is a beta version of a software that requires a format and a reinstall every 6 months, the least they could do is make it reinstallable, and not give us that '1 instance of a license key per station' bullshit. Anyone with me on this?

[dj_sea2005]

^^ damn right!

i hate all that licence key BS you have to go through when installing windows. its crackable anyway.

the computers at college all have serial number stickers on the machines. of which these serial numbers were not used during the first installation of windows (system admin got around it somehow, i was talking to him) so i just went round the IT group with a pen and bit of paper and took note of every serial in the room. now windows will have to mess up and re-install 26 times before im screwed for a serial number

[disconnect]

It's not the license key I'm mad at. The license key is fine. And whether it's crackable or not isn't the point I was trying to make. I'm mad that you can use a given license key only once on a station, and then you have to send msoft an email explaining the situation. Then, they make you jump through hoops to prove you're not some pirate who needs a serial, but an authentic user. I heard this way of recovering the system is very lengthy, a few days to a week. What if I'm pressed for time at school? They don't care... so why should I?

And I did not say 'it's crackable, so why not use a cracked copy?'. Anything is crackable, because anything can be unassembled. I'm just pissed that windows is running its shit behind the scenes at all times, just in case you're using a pirated copy. This takes up percious cpu power. Ableton Live 5 is the same. H2O (the cracking team) said that if ableton did not implement their shitty security routines that check for authenticity with every operation, us users would get a 30 to 50 percent increase in efficiency. Read that sentence again. They are essentially screwing over their authentic customers by using up our cpu and ram on a real-time protection system that gets cracked in the end, accomplishing nothing.

Then there's the behind-the-scenes 'call home' routine that suddenly became the trendy thing to do among software designers. Basically, a program, without your permission, connects to the internet, locates the server of the manufacturer, and verifies your serial number against a) its database, and b) the algorithm (the same algorithm that is the base of any key generator). I did not pay to have my connection congested by outgoing traffic from shitty programs with shitty security implementation. A general-purpose commercial firewall solves the problem by monitoring inbound AND outgoing connections. When I started using one, I not only noticed a decrease in spyware, but a general increase in performance.

Keep this in mind.

But holy shit, buddy. I'm sitting in a computer lab right now, and whoa! You're absolutely right. Right there, on the top of a computer is a serial number. too bad it's win98.

[liquidfx]

See, i live in both world. Mac & Pc. The only reason I even use the PC is because it has an advantage in that it has way more software development going for it. But thats because it has a 90% market share. If you think about Apple has every major software program available for its platform, but only has about a 5-7% market share (which is steadily climbing, quadrupled in last 2 years).

I live in Mac & I love it. Its so reliable, and they try to cut the BS and just give you a wonderfully powerful user friendly interface. I would never go near windows if it didn't have the advantage with more entertainment apps available (you know, games, emulators, and all that non-pro music bullshit).

But as far as which is better, Mac by far is superior.

Edit:

Oh and BTW, Intel announced that the architecture behind Pentium for is a dead end. Meaning that the Pentium 4 Chip is dead, and is no longer in the plan for Intel. The new Pentium M chips (which run at a lower clock speed but acchieve more like, ahem, G4-G5 Apple chips) are the new direction and are ironically based on Pentium III architecture.

Lots of changes comming for Apples & PCs in 2006-2007.

[dj_sea2005]

@DC

i was agreeing with you, and then made a point of my own. not misinturpreting your statment

@92accordlxtuner (isnt that the name of a car?)

i wish i could use OSX alot more than what i do now. from the times ive used it in college, in my numurous music lessons and genral free time. it is an exellent OS. but again, i stick to windows becuase ive been using it since i was 8. and have got so many programs for it that it would be insane (and rather rediculous) to wipe the slate clean with a new OS.

how ever, if i do ever find out a way to dual boot OSX. i would probably use it. and love it.

you have gotta admit though, windows do make a good OS, its just the blub-brains behind the sucurity arnt too bright.

also, i think that calling home routine for software is just way out of order. has anyone else found it ironic that often the measures taken to prevent viruses, hackers, crackers, pirates, and spyware often become as intrudent as the very thing they are trying to get rid of!

a good example of this is AVG free, a free virus scanner that always runs in the background, and CONSTANTLY checks for updates. and comes up with endless pop-ups when it finds them. it gets so annoying at times that i have CTL ALT DEL and end the AVG process. as it tends to slow down my (high spec) PC. i find this damn ironic as this is similar sort of behavour that spyware follows. its just madness!